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		<title>By: Talking Squid &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Squidsquatch 11: Margo Lanagan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Talking Squid &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Squidsquatch 11: Margo Lanagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 02:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Squidsquatch 10: Rob Hood&#160;&#160;8 Gillian, Chris Lawson, Gillian, Robert Hood, Robert Hood, Gillian [...] [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Gillian</title>
		<link>http://www.talkingsquid.net/archives/268/comment-page-1#comment-25231</link>
		<dc:creator>Gillian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 07:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, you can say those words.  I&#039;d raher have both of you read my late medieval misogynistic rabbinical werewolf story (next time you come to Canberra - and by &#039;my&#039; I mean I own the book - I&#039;ve never been tempted to write werewolves *or* vampires).  I have no equivalent vampire story.  In fact, I don&#039;t know any Western vampire stories from the Middle Ages, though there are stray references to lilitim and lamias which at least have the death at night and leave their victims pale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, you can say those words.  I&#8217;d raher have both of you read my late medieval misogynistic rabbinical werewolf story (next time you come to Canberra &#8211; and by &#8216;my&#8217; I mean I own the book &#8211; I&#8217;ve never been tempted to write werewolves *or* vampires).  I have no equivalent vampire story.  In fact, I don&#8217;t know any Western vampire stories from the Middle Ages, though there are stray references to lilitim and lamias which at least have the death at night and leave their victims pale.</p>
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		<title>By: Monsters at AdrianZaslona.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monsters at AdrianZaslona.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 04:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This is a really cool article about modern monsters in popular culture (mainly movies). [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Chris Lawson</title>
		<link>http://www.talkingsquid.net/archives/268/comment-page-1#comment-25146</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Lawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 15:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gillian, I wish I could say I know of the story you are referring to. There&#039;s been a story bubbling away in the back of my mind for many years that could be called a medieval rabbinical *vampire* story, but werewolves never come to me and demand to be in a story. I don&#039;t know why.

As for responding to Rob in the smallest number of words, I suggest you say, &quot;Rob, you are leprous abomination and your words are like scabs upon the face of intelligent conversation.&quot; That&#039;s what I do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gillian, I wish I could say I know of the story you are referring to. There&#8217;s been a story bubbling away in the back of my mind for many years that could be called a medieval rabbinical *vampire* story, but werewolves never come to me and demand to be in a story. I don&#8217;t know why.</p>
<p>As for responding to Rob in the smallest number of words, I suggest you say, &#8220;Rob, you are leprous abomination and your words are like scabs upon the face of intelligent conversation.&#8221; That&#8217;s what I do.</p>
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		<title>By: Gillian</title>
		<link>http://www.talkingsquid.net/archives/268/comment-page-1#comment-25141</link>
		<dc:creator>Gillian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 12:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a misogynistic rabbinical werewolf story, Rob, if you feel in need of exploring one of the odder byways of werewolves in later medieval literature.  Next time you&#039;re in Canberra, I&#039;ll feed you coffee and you can read it (it&#039;s in English translation and is not impossibly long).  Chris, if you don&#039;t know it (which is improbable) the same invitation is open to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a misogynistic rabbinical werewolf story, Rob, if you feel in need of exploring one of the odder byways of werewolves in later medieval literature.  Next time you&#8217;re in Canberra, I&#8217;ll feed you coffee and you can read it (it&#8217;s in English translation and is not impossibly long).  Chris, if you don&#8217;t know it (which is improbable) the same invitation is open to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Hood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Hood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 08:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not &quot;Nero&quot;... that&#039;s a mistype that I can&#039;t seem to edit/correct. Our other cat is called &quot;Nemo&quot;, named after the captain of the Nautilus, not the fish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not &#8220;Nero&#8221;&#8230; that&#8217;s a mistype that I can&#8217;t seem to edit/correct. Our other cat is called &#8220;Nemo&#8221;, named after the captain of the Nautilus, not the fish.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Hood</title>
		<link>http://www.talkingsquid.net/archives/268/comment-page-1#comment-25101</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Hood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 03:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I concede to ignorance regarding werewolves, Gillian. I was under the impression that pre 20th century lycanthropy was more-or-less self-imposed. I haven&#039;t read &quot;Bisclavret&quot; nor am I familiar with it! Yikes. Over at my own blog, Jess Irvine put me on to Petronius and a werewolf story &lt;a href=&quot;http://roberthood.net/obsesses/monster-tales/werewolf1.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;from &quot;The Satyricon&quot;&lt;/a&gt;, which was interesting. 
Basically, though, I confess to talking about werewolves without a thorough knowledge of the subject. I&#039;m on much firmer ground with zombies. :-)
Incidentally, Chris, there are four cats now: Pazuzu, Smersh, Nero (otherwise known as &quot;Mr White&quot;) and Sparks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I concede to ignorance regarding werewolves, Gillian. I was under the impression that pre 20th century lycanthropy was more-or-less self-imposed. I haven&#8217;t read &#8220;Bisclavret&#8221; nor am I familiar with it! Yikes. Over at my own blog, Jess Irvine put me on to Petronius and a werewolf story <a href="http://roberthood.net/obsesses/monster-tales/werewolf1.html" rel="nofollow">from &#8220;The Satyricon&#8221;</a>, which was interesting.<br />
Basically, though, I confess to talking about werewolves without a thorough knowledge of the subject. I&#8217;m on much firmer ground with zombies. :-)<br />
Incidentally, Chris, there are four cats now: Pazuzu, Smersh, Nero (otherwise known as &#8220;Mr White&#8221;) and Sparks.</p>
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		<title>By: Gillian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gillian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 22:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wasn&#039;t being fair, Chris - I was defending Marie de France.  Also, I would think that the actual change from human to beast and back is more important than the infection element.  So yes, I&#039;m arguing Bisclavret is important for the same reasons you argue that werewolf stories predate 1933.  I&#039;m just arguing using as few words as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn&#8217;t being fair, Chris &#8211; I was defending Marie de France.  Also, I would think that the actual change from human to beast and back is more important than the infection element.  So yes, I&#8217;m arguing Bisclavret is important for the same reasons you argue that werewolf stories predate 1933.  I&#8217;m just arguing using as few words as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Lawson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Lawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 13:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gillian, to be fair to Rob, I don&#039;t think he meant to say that significant werewolf stories don&#039;t go back earlier (they go back at least to Herodotus 2,500 years ago), but that they aren&#039;t the *modern* version of werewolves. That is, the contagion aspect is new. Most of the earlier werewolves acquired their state by being placed under a curse or demonic possession or, in antiquity, by it being a racial trait in some far-flung land. In &quot;Bisclavret&quot; no explanation is even offered. Our hero is a werewolf (but not a dread garwolf, mind!) and that&#039;s all there is to it.

I&#039;m not exactly in agreement with Rob here. I still think most of the key pieces of werewolf legend were in place a lot earlier than 1933 (the shape-changing, the aggression of the lycanthrope, the relationship with moon phases or other regular time frames), whereas Rob seems to feel that the contagion aspect is what makes the werewolf what it is. Rob and I are arguing cladistics, really, and I&#039;m sure others will have their own classification system.

What really interests me about good monsters is the way they evolve. Vampires, werewolves, ghosts, and so on, have changed massively since their mediaeval forms. Zombies have changed the most drastically of all. The original zombie is best illustrated in the Bela Lugosi film WHITE ZOMBIE. These zombies are utterly unlike modern zombies. They aren&#039;t cannibals. They have lost their force of will but aren&#039;t mindless. They aren&#039;t even undead. The fear that the original zombies elicited was that of forced mental subservience, often with a sexual connotation for women, so even the basic fear underlying the zombie genre has changed in a very short time. Meanwhile, leprechauns and gnomes have evolved into twee little folk and have been relegated to tourism brochures and garden ornaments despite occasional abortive efforts to make them scary again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gillian, to be fair to Rob, I don&#8217;t think he meant to say that significant werewolf stories don&#8217;t go back earlier (they go back at least to Herodotus 2,500 years ago), but that they aren&#8217;t the *modern* version of werewolves. That is, the contagion aspect is new. Most of the earlier werewolves acquired their state by being placed under a curse or demonic possession or, in antiquity, by it being a racial trait in some far-flung land. In &#8220;Bisclavret&#8221; no explanation is even offered. Our hero is a werewolf (but not a dread garwolf, mind!) and that&#8217;s all there is to it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not exactly in agreement with Rob here. I still think most of the key pieces of werewolf legend were in place a lot earlier than 1933 (the shape-changing, the aggression of the lycanthrope, the relationship with moon phases or other regular time frames), whereas Rob seems to feel that the contagion aspect is what makes the werewolf what it is. Rob and I are arguing cladistics, really, and I&#8217;m sure others will have their own classification system.</p>
<p>What really interests me about good monsters is the way they evolve. Vampires, werewolves, ghosts, and so on, have changed massively since their mediaeval forms. Zombies have changed the most drastically of all. The original zombie is best illustrated in the Bela Lugosi film WHITE ZOMBIE. These zombies are utterly unlike modern zombies. They aren&#8217;t cannibals. They have lost their force of will but aren&#8217;t mindless. They aren&#8217;t even undead. The fear that the original zombies elicited was that of forced mental subservience, often with a sexual connotation for women, so even the basic fear underlying the zombie genre has changed in a very short time. Meanwhile, leprechauns and gnomes have evolved into twee little folk and have been relegated to tourism brochures and garden ornaments despite occasional abortive efforts to make them scary again.</p>
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		<title>By: Gillian</title>
		<link>http://www.talkingsquid.net/archives/268/comment-page-1#comment-25029</link>
		<dc:creator>Gillian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 12:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob, repeat after me &quot;Bisclavret is significant werewolf fiction.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob, repeat after me &#8220;Bisclavret is significant werewolf fiction.&#8221;</p>
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