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	<title>Comments on: Quiz: Who is this person?</title>
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	<description>Scientific Romances and Other Curiosities from the Antipodes</description>
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		<title>By: Peter Hollo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Hollo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 11:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All the more reason for us to speak out about it! (Rather than ignore it in the hope it&#039;ll go away...)

In my continuing self-editing (I&#039;m a self-editing Jew!), I must point out that I managed to recall that &quot;practise&quot; is the correct spelling of the verb, but I still misspelled it in my comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the more reason for us to speak out about it! (Rather than ignore it in the hope it&#8217;ll go away&#8230;)</p>
<p>In my continuing self-editing (I&#8217;m a self-editing Jew!), I must point out that I managed to recall that &#8220;practise&#8221; is the correct spelling of the verb, but I still misspelled it in my comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Lawson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Lawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 06:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s why I think Ben Stein was such an inspired choice to head this documentary. He&#039;s got a long track record of supporting hard-right-wing causes and being horrendously mercenary about it, and he&#039;s Jewish (although I have no idea how actively observant he is). Being Jewish gives him two major selling points to his masters: (i) he is one of the very few ID people coming from a non-Christian background and can therefore encourage their deceitful line that ID isn&#039;t just Christian fundamentalism, and (ii) he can repeat that old Creationist lie about Darwin leading to Hitler, safe in the knowledge that any rebukes or counter-arguments can be labelled anti-Semitic regardless of the whether they actually are.

As such, the very presence of Ben Stein as the host of the film is a calculated tactic to improve the effectiveness of the deceit. It is such a clever masterstroke that Stein himself and his production team don&#039;t need to raise the charge of anti-Semitism themselves. Clueless *pro-evolution* writers will do it for them. As your example attests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s why I think Ben Stein was such an inspired choice to head this documentary. He&#8217;s got a long track record of supporting hard-right-wing causes and being horrendously mercenary about it, and he&#8217;s Jewish (although I have no idea how actively observant he is). Being Jewish gives him two major selling points to his masters: (i) he is one of the very few ID people coming from a non-Christian background and can therefore encourage their deceitful line that ID isn&#8217;t just Christian fundamentalism, and (ii) he can repeat that old Creationist lie about Darwin leading to Hitler, safe in the knowledge that any rebukes or counter-arguments can be labelled anti-Semitic regardless of the whether they actually are.</p>
<p>As such, the very presence of Ben Stein as the host of the film is a calculated tactic to improve the effectiveness of the deceit. It is such a clever masterstroke that Stein himself and his production team don&#8217;t need to raise the charge of anti-Semitism themselves. Clueless *pro-evolution* writers will do it for them. As your example attests.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 05:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shit, and I misspelled &quot;Kirshenbaum&quot;. *sigh*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shit, and I misspelled &#8220;Kirshenbaum&#8221;. *sigh*</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 05:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Misplaced comma up there after &quot;surprised&quot;. Sorry ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Misplaced comma up there after &#8220;surprised&#8221;. Sorry ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 05:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly.
Which is why I was a little surprised, to read at the bottom of Sheril Kirsherbaum&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://scienceblogs.com/intersection/2008/03/pz_myers_mind_your_manners.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;somewhat misguided post&lt;/a&gt; someone chiding PZ&#039;s upthread comment thusly:

&lt;blockquote&gt;re: PZ Myers said *&quot;Ben Stein daubing himself with the ashes of Dachau&quot;* That is soooo anti-semitic...Is it only anti-semitism then, when left wing Jewish ideas are under scrutiny? Is ok to mock right wing jewish thought,tactical positioning, and idiocy ala Stein in such a Jew bashing way then?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Probably &quot;the real cmf&quot; is pretty-much alone in considering that imagery to be &quot;Jew bashing&quot;, but as a (very much non-practising) Jew myself let me point out that the genuinely offensive fact is that Ben Stein &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt;, in PZ&#039;s evocative words, &quot;daubing himself with the ashes of Dachau&quot;, playing on his own Jewish heritage while presenting the foolish argument that there are (any kind of) parallels between &lt;i&gt;insisting on real scientific credentials when claiming to practice science&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;systematically murdering millions of people because of their (racial) heritage&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly.<br />
Which is why I was a little surprised, to read at the bottom of Sheril Kirsherbaum&#8217;s <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/intersection/2008/03/pz_myers_mind_your_manners.php" rel="nofollow">somewhat misguided post</a> someone chiding PZ&#8217;s upthread comment thusly:</p>
<blockquote><p>re: PZ Myers said *&#8221;Ben Stein daubing himself with the ashes of Dachau&#8221;* That is soooo anti-semitic&#8230;Is it only anti-semitism then, when left wing Jewish ideas are under scrutiny? Is ok to mock right wing jewish thought,tactical positioning, and idiocy ala Stein in such a Jew bashing way then?</p></blockquote>
<p>Probably &#8220;the real cmf&#8221; is pretty-much alone in considering that imagery to be &#8220;Jew bashing&#8221;, but as a (very much non-practising) Jew myself let me point out that the genuinely offensive fact is that Ben Stein <i>is</i>, in PZ&#8217;s evocative words, &#8220;daubing himself with the ashes of Dachau&#8221;, playing on his own Jewish heritage while presenting the foolish argument that there are (any kind of) parallels between <i>insisting on real scientific credentials when claiming to practice science</i> and <i>systematically murdering millions of people because of their (racial) heritage</i>.</p>
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