Comments on: Card’s economy-sized jug of crazy sauce http://www.talkingsquid.net/archives/385 Scientific Romances and Other Curiosities from the Antipodes Mon, 16 Jan 2012 03:33:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Chris Lawson http://www.talkingsquid.net/archives/385/comment-page-1#comment-46808 Chris Lawson Sun, 24 Aug 2008 06:22:56 +0000 http://www.talkingsquid.net/?p=385#comment-46808 Trowzers, Mr Card suffers from that all-too-common affliction that makes one believe that one's own moral principles are self-evident and timeless. Mr Card can't be so ignorant of the world as to actually think that until 1993 marriage has been defined at all times and in all cultures as a relationship between one man and one woman. Mr Card is obviously unaware of the documented homosexual marriages in ancient China, Greece, and Rome. (The Roman right to homosexual marriage was rescinded in AD 342; there would have been no need rescind a law that did not already exist.) To be fair, not many people know these facts, but as I pointed out, Mr Card's appeal to the timeless definition of marriage is not even true of his own church and his own nation. This must be a case of overwhelming cognitive dissonance leading to the paralysis of Mr Card's critical appraisal pathways. Trowzers, Mr Card suffers from that all-too-common affliction that makes one believe that one’s own moral principles are self-evident and timeless. Mr Card can’t be so ignorant of the world as to actually think that until 1993 marriage has been defined at all times and in all cultures as a relationship between one man and one woman. Mr Card is obviously unaware of the documented homosexual marriages in ancient China, Greece, and Rome. (The Roman right to homosexual marriage was rescinded in AD 342; there would have been no need rescind a law that did not already exist.) To be fair, not many people know these facts, but as I pointed out, Mr Card’s appeal to the timeless definition of marriage is not even true of his own church and his own nation. This must be a case of overwhelming cognitive dissonance leading to the paralysis of Mr Card’s critical appraisal pathways.

]]> By: Trowzers http://www.talkingsquid.net/archives/385/comment-page-1#comment-46736 Trowzers Fri, 22 Aug 2008 03:53:57 +0000 http://www.talkingsquid.net/?p=385#comment-46736 I enjoyed the two books of the Ender series I read, although I generally don't look at things too deeply and I'm not much of a political or social commentator (and I did think that Ender himself was a bit of a tosser). But three paragraphs into Card's article is this: "require marriage to be defined in ways that were unthinkable through all of human history until the past 15 years" Huh? Hey what? *unthinkable* through *ALL* of human history? I haven't even read the other responses to this article, and already it's lost a massive amount of credibility. Shouldn't that read "all of human history, well, the conservative bits anyway, and the ones that are mostly based on the Old Testament and some forms of marriage contract that were used for political and social alliances - just ignore all those other cultures and less formal arrangements for now as they aren't convenient to my opinion"? Or is it just me? I enjoyed the two books of the Ender series I read, although I generally don’t look at things too deeply and I’m not much of a political or social commentator (and I did think that Ender himself was a bit of a tosser).
But three paragraphs into Card’s article is this:
“require marriage to be defined in ways that were unthinkable through all of human history until the past 15 years”

Huh? Hey what? *unthinkable* through *ALL* of human history? I haven’t even read the other responses to this article, and already it’s lost a massive amount of credibility. Shouldn’t that read “all of human history, well, the conservative bits anyway, and the ones that are mostly based on the Old Testament and some forms of marriage contract that were used for political and social alliances – just ignore all those other cultures and less formal arrangements for now as they aren’t convenient to my opinion”? Or is it just me?

]]> By: sean williams http://www.talkingsquid.net/archives/385/comment-page-1#comment-46465 sean williams Fri, 15 Aug 2008 02:19:14 +0000 http://www.talkingsquid.net/?p=385#comment-46465 "Jehoshaphat claqueur" Genius, right there. “Jehoshaphat claqueur”

Genius, right there.

]]> By: Chris Lawson http://www.talkingsquid.net/archives/385/comment-page-1#comment-46230 Chris Lawson Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:08:31 +0000 http://www.talkingsquid.net/?p=385#comment-46230 Thanks for the comments, C.B. One of the things I liked about Kessel's essay was it gave me the insight to see why I had hated Card's Ender books so much. I really disliked Speaker for the Dead and despised Xenocide with a passion. But I couldn't put my finger on it until I'd read Kessel's piece. Thanks for the comments, C.B. One of the things I liked about Kessel’s essay was it gave me the insight to see why I had hated Card’s Ender books so much. I really disliked Speaker for the Dead and despised Xenocide with a passion. But I couldn’t put my finger on it until I’d read Kessel’s piece.

]]> By: C.B. James http://www.talkingsquid.net/archives/385/comment-page-1#comment-46213 C.B. James Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:08:42 +0000 http://www.talkingsquid.net/?p=385#comment-46213 I found you through your comment on Justine Larbelastier's site and wanted to thank you for pointing more towards the Kessel article on Card. Very interesting reading. Certainly changed my point of view towards Ender's Game. Mr. Card won't be finding any of his books on my wish list anytime soon. I found you through your comment on Justine Larbelastier’s site and wanted to thank you for pointing more towards the Kessel article on Card. Very interesting reading. Certainly changed my point of view towards Ender’s Game.

Mr. Card won’t be finding any of his books on my wish list anytime soon.

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